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Michael

"in the light of the continued intimidation and murder of MDC people he had no option but to withdraw."

I see this as not the greatest reason to withdraw, but as the greatest reason to continue ..... His withdrawal makes all the deaths, beatings and displacements since the election completely meaningless. Ordinary people have lost their homes, their possessions, their loved ones and their lives for nothing.

And will his withdrawal spell an end to the misery, the killings and the intimidation? ..... Of course it won't, because he's got away with it again and from here on in it will only get worse. He doesn't have to listen to the AU, SADC, UN or anyone else, because he will have Zimbabwe in his iron grip until he dies.

Blanket sanctions, such as those so quickly levied against Rhodesia would be a good start, but the UN seem reluctant to impose anything but token sanctions, no doubt using the logic that anything more would harm the people of Zimbabwe ..... Time for them to wake up, because their inaction is harming the people of Zimbabwe far more than any action they could ever take.

clive

Michael, I agree. So much given, so much lost... for nothing.

On the other hand, what would have been gained if the election had continued, and Mugabe had lost... what would have changed? When the only people with physical force is the military and police, and they insisting on supporting their god Mugabe, Zimbabwe rule would have continued as a declared dictatorship instead of bogus "democracy".

If only the Zanu-PF knew what they've lost in opportunity for their nation. If only they could see. So, where do they go from here?

The "African solution to an African problem " has turned Sub-Sahara Africa, the SADC, and AU into nothing but a sad, humorless joke without credibility, for all the world to witness... and they can't blame that on Mugabe. What I wonder is how they'll figure out to blame the UK and US for it.

Perhaps now we will find out if the ZRM is for real, or another cruel joke or hollow threat. I'm betting they've burned the comic script and fired the writers.

Rateng Opolo

Just when everything was going on well for him and his fellows, the coward as Mugabe calls him, chickened out.
I do not think those who looked up to Tsvangirai as their Moses or as a liberator of poor Zimbabweans will support him on this.
The foray of African leaders who thought that Mugabe's way of dealing with his country was wrong must be disappointed by his move. And so are we who thought he could do better.
To my opinion, Tsvangirai should have call it quits the day Mugabe's thugs descended on him a couple of years ago.
the reason he is giving now must be a stab on the back to those Zanu PF supporters who broke ranks with mugabe to vote for him.
Lest we forget those lying in hospitals battered and bruised for supporting him.
The best thing for the continent to do is freeze his travel visas and passports so that he remains to face what poor Zimbabweans are facing.
I am really disgusted by his move. It si a shame

Rateng Opolo

Just when everything was going on well for him and his fellows, the coward as Mugabe calls him, chickened out.
I do not think those who looked up to Tsvangirai as their Moses or as a liberator of poor Zimbabweans will support him on this.
The foray of African leaders who thought that Mugabe's way of dealing with his country was wrong must be disappointed by his move. And so are we who thought he could do better.
To my opinion, Tsvangirai should have call it quits the day Mugabe's thugs descended on him a couple of years ago.
the reason he is giving now must be a stab on the back to those Zanu PF supporters who broke ranks with mugabe to vote for him.
Lest we forget those lying in hospitals battered and bruised for supporting him.
The best thing for the continent to do is freeze his travel visas and passports so that he remains to face what poor Zimbabweans are facing.
I am really disgusted by his move. It si a shame

Chris

It's a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"....if the election had ogne ahead and the MDC had won again, I doubt that Mugabe would have taken any notice. The utterly depressing thing about all of this is that Mugabe knows that no-one will do anything at all to bring him to book, escpecially not South Africa and SADC. What now for Zimbabwe...???

DC

What now for Zimbabwe? Easy to answer, difficult to action:

Chris, Mugabe himself has answered your question? (to paraphrase): "How can an 'x' on a peice of paper replace the barrel of a gun"?

He has basically stated categorically that an election is worthless in his eyes, and force is the only way to remove him.

Without all out war in Southern Africa ZANU-PF will not be removed. Note: I did not say civil war in Zimbabwe. I believe that the ruling establishment in much of Southern Africa and South Africa at the very least needs to be destroyed. Without destabilising South Africa, the ANC (and don't believe all you hear about Zuma) will always prop up Mugabe and Zanu-PF.

To get rid of ZANU-PF, one must first obliterate the ANC. In fact, the best strategy for the future of Southern Africa would be a two-pronged approach in which key figures of both the ANC and ZANU-PF are assassinated, and the financial interests of both parties are sabotaged and destroyed.

And no, I have not been watching too many action movies. As quoted above, Mugabe (and thence Mbeki) have framed the terms of engagement. You just have to read the full context.

Agnew Kambewu

Those who feel Tsvangirai is a coward should volunteer to be MDC election monitors in Mash East, Mash west etc. Lets see if they have the guts to withstand seeing their spouses being hauled infront of their young kids, only to turn up at the morgue without tongues eyes etc. MAITA ZVAKANAKA SAVE! Let Mugabe rule forever!! He can even name Bona Mugabe his deputy and Chatunga his Central bank governor.

Andrew - ex Zim

Poor old Moses, it's the most despondent I've heard him, and I feel equally helpless, I fear it's going to get a lot worse before anything meaningful is done to unseat these thugs and turn the country's fate around. At least the violence will stop with the MDC capitulating, and it will fall silent, out of the news and the uselss SADC leaders and that idiot Mbeki will go 'ah, see, quiet diplomacy can work, we have solved our problems the African way'.

Britain and the US have been careful not to get directly involved because Mugabe likes to play the colonial card, but with this recent violent end, they should now be snubbing South Africa publicly and pressuring them so that Mbeki's replacement will realise the huge disadvantage from propping up Zanu PF. Really, if they cut the electricty supply tomorrow (and they could with justification since Zimbabwe never pays its bill) Mugabe wouldn't last a month.

We could be staring at years of pointless and unwinnable civil war like Sierra Leone or Somalia, or decades of repression like Burma, the consequences of SADC not doing the 'right thing' are simply too depressing to contemplate.

Andrew ex-Zim

Only when all the farms have been stolen from blacks and whites alike and given to Mugabe's cronies, only when the people have all starved to death, only when the economy has totally collapsed in the worst meltdown of our time, only when total anarchy prevails across every village and city of the country, only when every last bit of African Union goodwill has been spent and SADC's tattered reputation completely ruined, and only when the scorched earth policy of this monster utterly complete will the great 'liberator' Robert Mugabe step down and say that his work in Zimbabwe is done.

Michael

DC, Internal wars are tricky things to gauge, a civil war in the style of the bush war could be effective, but it would all depend on the sidings of the other African nations as there seems to be a 'difference of opinion' through certain countries about Mugabe's actions.

Agnew, I hope that last part of your post was irony, because if it wasn't I can state quite categorically that you are just as bad as Mugabe, and a total moron to boot ..... if it was an ironic comment, please ignore the above, and you were right about one thing, Tsvangirai is no coward ..... he's taken more than any man should have to take, I just wish he had that tiny bit of extra fortitude to make it past this week.

Andrew, I reckon you've hit the nail right on the head there, but although pointless the civil war would be winnable in time ..... prime point for that was taught by Mugabe himself supported indirectly by the UK and US, he 'won' the bush war and was installed in power through the same means as he is still using in elections, but that time under the 'watchful' eyes of British and Commonwealth observers.

clive

To many this will be meaningless, and to many it will be laughable, but the single consolation I can find is that the Bible implies the possibility that those in heaven will be witness to God's justice in the eternal suffering of those in hell. So, the liars and thieves and thugs and low-lifes such a Robert Mugabe, Thabo Mbeki, Patrick Chinamasa, Chris Pasipamire, Nicholas Goche, Constantine Chiwenga, Augustine Chihuri, Paradzai Zimondi, Perence Shiri, and those of their ilk, and those who wielded the attacks to maim and murder the innocent, will have their due in full measure. The very thought of spending eternity with the likes of those godless pieces of dung sure helps keep me on the "strait and narrow" path of humility to seek the grace and mercy of God Almighty... and put my hope in a better place than this earth, because it sure ain't in Africa.

Tso Motaung

Rob Rob Rob...hope you know that you are following the footsteps of Sadam Hussein & we alllll know what happened to guy

Tso Motaung

And how about the guy who was in the News yesterday who said, "Mugabe is a Warrior" yet he was in South Africa hiding not fighting for his beliefs. The nerve of a cowards. In my statement Tsvangirai is a Warrior. The time will come for Robs downfall. Its a pity before things go right they have to go wrong and poor lives have to be lost as History has taught us.

majays

Only GOD will hear our prayers, now I understand why Pius was even thinking of praying for this bastard to die. But I know he won't last another year. That is just a moving skeleton guys!

Michael

He may not last another year, but if he's hand picking his successor, then we're probably looking at Mugabe mark 2 ..... he's unlikely to pick someone who does not share his ideologies and methods.

DC

This is not the end. This is the beginning of the end.

Mugabe's death will make things worse as ZANU-PF falls apart into two or more camps of criminals fighting it out for power, whilst ordinary Zimbabweans die as collataral damage.

When and by the time all the chips are down, living in Zimbabwe will make living in Mogadishu feel like a picnic.

unknown

awe so sad he dropped out now the white puppet cannot sell to the western powers.i mean the west think persons are imbeciles they don't care about African interest but when there own Europeans are involved they react quickly i mean look back at the Rwanda genocide and present genocide in Sudan.and Britain or America would not dare intervene in Zimbabwe since they have done almost nothing for Sudan .only if Mandela was a Mugabe replica then the whites in south Africa would not be on top and most of the blacks at the bottom but give it time Mugabe will influence world leaders .Britain and whites will never rule Zimbabwe again or any of their hypnotized puppets once the leaders have Mugabe's mentality .democracy is bull and is used by west to install weak governments in undeveloped countries so they cannot rise and pose a threat to the west thats why america wants to spread democracy so that she can remain powerful but china and other powers know democracy's end result. america is in the path to communism

clive

That's not even worth an intelligent response, but at least it is insight into the Zanu-PF unthinking process and helps us all understand just why Zim is so lost. Is that sad, or what!

Michael

Nice words unknown but when you put them together you're looking at a steaming pile of bull ..... You probably buy into the propaganda that is spread in Zim these days about Mugabe beating the evil British in the bush war.

Let me give you a short history lesson, Mugabe was a TERRORIST leader (ZANLA) fighting against the Rhodesian government, who murdered not only the soldiers he claimed to be at war with, but also HIS OWN PEOPLE, both Shona and Matabele, the people he was supposedly fighting to liberate.

Now while this was bad enough, he showed a further hypocrisy in that he was party to the slaughter of missionaries and nuns (also claiming to be a religious man).

His rise to the presidency was facilitated primarily by three men, Owen, Soames and Carrington ..... all British government officials (he never actually won the war, in fact Nkomo and ZIPRA were in a far stronger position for taking over)

If Africa's leaders all take Mugabes mentality, like you suggest, then you are looking at the end of Africa ..... low general life expectancy (for those who survive the torture and beatings), little to no medical system, disease running rife, and a skills shortage in almost every area of industry.

maybe you're right and Britain never will rule Zimbabwe again, and quite right too ..... but how long is it going to be before neither black nor white rule Zim, because the most likely foreign rulers now are the Chinese, and some of their tactics make what you've witnessed so far seem like a playground scrap ..... then you'll be crying out for aid from the people you are so fast to insult now.

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